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http://www.realestatetalks.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36647
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Underwater Sales/Listings
9 x; s' p2 o9 H4 C3 `I thought of starting a money loser thread of properties we know where people are going to lose money on a sale -- just so we can gauge some desperation here. We can then quantify the belief which some have that: "People won't sell if they are losing money. They will just hang on and ride it out". But these are challenging times. Of course that theory would more easily hold true for investors if the thing were cashflow positive to begin with (incl vacancies, etc). Unfortunately, bleeding $500-600/mo on a downtown 1 br with 25% down is not cool nowadays.
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This will kind of like that flippersintrouble.blogspot.com, but for Vancouver, and of course in thread form here.
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1) I know 1801 in the Ritz (1211 Melville) is one. x. C( r9 J4 k/ K7 j6 e3 @
Original purchase was $469,900. + GST, PTT, commission, etc -- means a break even cost of $520k or so (+ Interest).+ `# _: M! F/ z
Asking price is $499k.5 b! u% @& r& c+ {
724sq ft with semi-decent view, air conditioned, etc. Owner is in Beverly Hills
. D( M, Z- k1 m9 Y2 RLoss if sold at asking price = $20k+
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2) 2002 - 909 Mainland (Yaletown Park)
& s( y" h8 x7 b& r Y9 U) d; EPurchased $397k.
i) Y6 w% A7 ]9 g; J* G6 DAdjusted Cost (PTT, Commission, legals) = $420k
- a9 Y2 c1 x2 T0 b# a4 mSold $338k
2 O* p: t6 R: R: q* o9 WLoss $82k% S. \7 ]% n$ H5 q
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#607 - 1408 Strathmore Mews (West One)+ B V* h" J @
July 2008 - purchased for $850,000
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Unrealized loss of $101,000 plus taxes, fees, commission, etc.
! n3 v3 g1 [% y* O$ V4 A* Y; D& xOuch... somebody overpaid!
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$ @8 }3 o: P/ m1 P/ ^6 Q- fkansai_92 wrote:#607 - 1408 Strathmore Mews (West One)
1 M/ Y5 D/ D$ v5 @0 L3 x" {July 2008 - purchased for $850,000: P; h/ Y+ |8 E8 a1 ]
Nov 2008 - listed for $749,000! W N9 Y7 p# W" J! V# J* a
. ?+ v/ c* a3 l9 N% Y7 \; z' rUnrealized loss of $101,000 plus taxes, fees, commission, etc.
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Assesesed is 692k on that. With a lot of stuff going below assessed, that guy could be in a lot of pain . W* i: u P4 \& {
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June 2008 - sold for $829,000: g6 w7 \6 A% p! u6 g+ H/ e" R
Oct 2008 - listed for $799,000
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Unrealized loss of $30,000 plus taxes, fees, legals, commission, etc.
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! l* c6 ~9 D0 D6) I know 1801 in the Ritz (1211 Melville) is one.8 ]& `& m6 e* t; p$ a7 ~
Original purchase was $469,900. + GST, PTT, commission, etc -- means a break even cost of $520k or so (+ Interest).
& a! Y6 G* C" @0 HAsking price is $499k.
; G. J" h& g; K724sq ft with semi-decent view, air conditioned, etc. Owner is in Beverly Hills
% E$ h$ p& i U" Y8 \' V0 KLoss if sold at asking price = $20k+
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1801 in the Ritz (1211 Melville)
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#307 - 36 Water Street (Terminus) Completing Dec/Jan
3 ?* {/ _# f5 R4 w) S3 tPurchased for $690k April 20066 k2 L) J9 \# ~- ?% G# y
Asking $699,900 for the assignment.
5 h. w* ~( I j% dEven if they get their asking price, after commission and assignment fee they will be about $25k underwater.... from 2006 prices. # ?9 ?! J# z; ~+ g
Crazy.
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Sold 1.35M4 }; X5 Q- Y- `: U8 Z& P# O
Purchased 1.55M September 1, 2007.
' R7 S. X( {2 i: SLoss 265k+ (ptt + commission alone on that house is 65k+)
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$290k sold
( I( r: B. c+ B, F3 D$289.9k sold May 10, 2007.- n+ m* ^5 C, Z* M. [
, d7 d9 @' O; @9 }3 rLost at least commission and ptt ($15k+?)
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102 - 633 Kinghorne Mews BB, 4 a5 g0 x8 K" N; z- d$ B
Sold 1300k July 2007+ c) G9 [2 m/ Y. O T. M
Asking 1225k0 d G9 F/ T7 c# d9 `7 p) r4 O
Loss of 100k+ (incl ptt and commission)
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sold 225k Aug 20082 z2 |; E( q% i( K, s3 g+ K
Asking 224.9k
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9 h. c, t$ ^# z+ [9611 Capella Drive, Richmond
3 P( Y( f: i$ l$ ~Sold 707500 Nov 2007
& X. a( m4 [$ t4 G2 V# X5 AAsking 648000
! B6 m5 b! n* J$ VLoss of 85k+ (incl ptt and commission)
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3468 W 30th, Dunbar Vancouver! c# y9 B1 ]; t3 o6 {& F1 `3 A' i6 J
Sold 1.40M July 2007
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Loss of 160k+ (incl ptt and commission)
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3 f' {9 X4 h0 fSold 358k Sept 2007
( `7 W" Q6 C) p- g" f' iAsking 349k
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0 V, I9 X8 C& e! A1 D#110 750 W 12th Ave, Fairview* v; ~- K6 y8 h
Sold 460k Feb 7, 2008; N. j7 j0 W) h8 S: x2 c0 g$ X
Asking 419k
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$ j5 t( e/ p, J d; F a967 Beatty St.
. P5 n* a" [# h5 x; W- MSold $565k Nov 2008
( z% O+ P0 V" N7 [6 X! rPurchased $650k Nov 2006
1 z; T1 p7 _1 ELoss of $85k (+ commission)
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3 e6 c9 I# A/ n9 m1 b$ l301-3333 W 4th in Kits
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3 m6 Q G) u' sA lucky guy:
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$637k sold in March 30, 2007
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Sold $415k Nov 2007
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Both very short term owners. Flippers possibly.
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, {( l$ N G5 Z, i6 ~And of course, we can't forget about Flagship flipper guy.
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Pre-sale contract price: $798,000% J) ~' ~4 `6 ~6 K. o$ y+ C4 |9 t7 h- w
Deposit: $119,750
: c+ \7 A+ `+ E, W" [; cAsking price for assignment: $15,000
. x: z: m( ~3 I( CUnrealized loss: $104,750
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% f0 I8 m6 n- H ALook on seller's face when still no buyers show up: priceless
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- b9 I1 u& n5 |2 q#1610 - 928 Beatty St.
: |1 d# c2 Q% P! S4 pPurchased $380k. (in October 2006)
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Loss $17k
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2 |0 j2 t4 x2 XSold below October 2006 price. Interestingly, this unit sold in May 2006 for $365,000. So one could argue that some sellers are willing to let units go for May 2006 prices. WOW. ! \- h. ~ |* e) e: m$ x
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Some posters on this forum speak of crystal balls... real estate in Vancouver is looking more like a time machine! How far back in time do you think we'll go?
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Y( p$ l9 B. M( O+ {Purchased $850k. (in April 2008)
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Loss $130k in 6 months!& S; ]) K# r9 K( T3 \* {( S0 `
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WOW... who was the poster that talks about Bears losing their money in the stock market. This guy did even better. If he had 10% down, he lost his entire down payment plus another $50K! Everybody loves leverage... when prices are going up. Now I see some uncomfortable swallowing from people that might not love leveraging the purchase of their assets/investments anymore.- `. p0 C1 }: _* ?9 f" [
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很多没有扣除rental,否则还是赚的
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