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在埃德蒙顿西南Terwillegar区为无家可归的人建住房的计划

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发表于 2013-7-4 10:57 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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From weibo #爱城新闻#在埃德蒙顿西南Terwillegar区为无家可归的人建住房的计划遭到小区居民极力反对!Jasper Place保健中心预建一所属于本地教会的60个单位的住宅提供给无家可归的居民,但小区居民担心这会影响到他们城郊的社区而且使房产贬值。Terwillegar区有众多的华人与小孩,也有人担心会带来更多的犯罪率。
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发表于 2013-7-4 11:35 | 显示全部楼层
具体在Terwillegar哪个区啊?以前不是说要在haddow修廉租房吗?
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发表于 2013-7-4 11:48 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 songmuchang 于 2013-7-4 13:12 编辑 ) x% O5 I& N3 Q7 u( {& ^' C
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https://terwillegartowne.org/! d6 c0 [0 W6 k8 t; C
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"Current Hot Topic - Proposed facility for homeless people in Terwillegar Towne
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" B/ d; C: \! _: s% @3 D# f7 kFrom Bryan Anderson:  "This afternoon the Terwillegar Community League President met with Minister Dave Hancock (Provincial MLA), City of Edmonton Councillor Bryan Anderson and the Terwillegar Towne Homeowners Association Executive Director, Steve Simala Grant.  We met to discuss the proposed housing development on the Holy Trinity Riverbend property on the west side of Terwillegar Towne.   ! y9 i& E; U; k% g2 u2 a

8 X) v+ v, d+ r# T8 dAs a result of our meeting, we were able to confirm that no development will proceed in the community until a public community engagement has been undertaken.  This community engagement will be led by the project proponent:  an organization named Jasper Place Health and Wellness Centre.
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$ u' _1 s& I* M4 N0 Q& r4 RArea residents and community members who wish to learn more about the proposed project plans and share their thoughts and concerns can contact the project proponents directly.   Contact information has been provided below."
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"The provincial government as part of their ten year plan to end homelessness is providing grant monies for projects like this that are applied for by organizations involved in homeless housing.  "
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发表于 2013-7-4 18:00 | 显示全部楼层
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在Terwillegar Towne,位置倒是不错啊,在这个位置买相同面积的房子要比其他地方贵不少
0 h: [" o$ C% L7 y8 h那些无家可归者福利真好
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发表于 2013-7-4 19:18 | 显示全部楼层
从地图上看房子都造满了,还有什么地方来给他们造房子。
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发表于 2013-7-4 19:55 | 显示全部楼层
anweica 发表于 2013-7-4 20:18   a$ l7 x( T* a* X
从地图上看房子都造满了,还有什么地方来给他们造房子。

- x$ Y; m& }5 ?) q要建还是有地方的。学校北边有一大片绿地,教堂东边有一小块空地。
. b3 [8 I, X* I/ y; c看来要赶紧搬家了。
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发表于 2013-7-4 20:12 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
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估计是为了方便他们去隔壁Windermere和riverbend拣瓶子吧,因为Terwillegar Towne里就一个小便利店而已。
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发表于 2013-7-4 21:30 | 显示全部楼层
anweica 发表于 2013-7-4 21:12
0 t# P  j7 W, {( D$ Z$ Y. f) {! z估计是为了方便他们去隔壁Windermere和riverbend拣瓶子吧,因为Terwillegar Towne里就一个小便利店而已。
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- }1 p  X2 ]# Y3 ~1 q应该在Windermere, 特别是upper Windermere建, 那里的人一般瓶子都当垃圾处理。
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发表于 2013-7-4 21:47 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2013-7-4 22:06 | 显示全部楼层
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waderhust 发表于 2013-7-4 12:35
% v3 P8 Q  q6 s8 c4 k" _# z" z9 ^具体在Terwillegar哪个区啊?以前不是说要在haddow修廉租房吗?

0 u' Z7 D) q2 t" ]* `是啊,前段时间发来的信息上还说是haddow呢。
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发表于 2013-7-5 08:43 | 显示全部楼层
southcommon 发表于 2013-7-4 23:06
2 d7 w" G- o/ @5 p6 d# F" H是啊,前段时间发来的信息上还说是haddow呢。
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haddow要盖的是first time buyer program的房子好不好。要是再在terwillegar盖这个homeless的东西,那整个这一片都受影响吧,这些人可以步行到西南任何小区,包括margrath那里了(个人觉得)。不知道市政府怎么想的,是想把整个市里所有小区都弄成一个档次么2 J& L1 c0 I+ M4 h
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发表于 2013-7-5 09:28 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
terwillegar town.org 的网站上同一文章里已经说了他们有和议员反应了反对意见。文章里有相关议员和部门的邮箱。文章另一方面也是号召大家去complain.政府的立场是这个是教会要在自己的地上建的。只要符合规定就会批准。而且脑残政府也确有十年消灭流浪汉的项目。开发商和业主都可去申请。社区的意见是觉得这个地方开这种场所根本不能解决问题。downtown才是流浪汉的乐土。这个教会在town 的西南角,高速边上。
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发表于 2013-7-5 11:12 | 显示全部楼层
同言同羽 置业良晨
可别在那让流浪汉住 才买的房子在那边.......
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relic 发表于 2013-7-5 07:43
  a4 i5 v( f! p0 Q* F, rhaddow要盖的是first time buyer program的房子好不好。要是再在terwillegar盖这个homeless的东西,那整个 ...
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是想把整个市里所有小区都弄成一个档次么?7 w/ K* z$ ?% T
是的,人人平等,我的MM的工作就是促进这样的project的。
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发表于 2013-7-5 19:14 | 显示全部楼层
这些黑心的教会,只想从中得利。7 J0 _/ P3 N0 T: Q
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发表于 2013-7-5 21:28 | 显示全部楼层
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我也觉得,教会就是让那个高速边上廉价的地获得最大利益,反正房租付不起政府会买单。
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发表于 2013-7-5 21:33 | 显示全部楼层
孟良焦赞 发表于 2013-7-5 22:28 * d  x% B1 K4 N' |+ U1 ^
我也觉得,教会就是让那个高速边上廉价的地获得最大利益,反正房租付不起政府会买单。

! s" b, Z8 E% N/ r教會是自負盈虧之企業,當然會想盡辦法開源。
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发表于 2013-7-5 21:46 | 显示全部楼层
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/n ... /8623508/story.html, J% N: _4 d  |: U' Y. U& T7 H+ r
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Simons: Homeless-housing project has Terwillegar Towne in an uproar  P7 ~* d# u+ Z

& o9 s" e) H9 V8 h) u3 N% p% i" \Emily Salsbury is a Terwillegar Towne resident who opposes the proposed development of a 60-unit social housing project in her neighbourhood beside Holy Trinity Anglican Church.
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) X! g- V, @* q/ s, mEDMONTON - It’s a debate dividing the quiet southwest suburb of Terwillegar Towne./ z, L: |; R4 `# N/ @+ g

- G) r- ]; H9 h# B2 t) b1 lIs the charming enclave, designed to mimic a 19th century village, the right place for a 60-unit supportive housing project for the recently homeless?
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The Jasper Place Health and Wellness Centre plans to build such a facility next year, on land leased from the Anglican Church.  ?+ e/ ~2 H" W1 e0 W

! N6 a) Z0 l+ {9 |. \, XThe $12.1 million apartment building west of 156th Street and north of 14th Avenue is Edmonton’s first such project in an affluent new suburb, about as far from the inner city as you can get, geographically and socially.6 y2 ~/ g4 m$ t! s" t! E
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The argument has split the community league, and led to the creation of a Facebook advocacy group, Terwillegar Speaks, where impassioned residents vent fears about everything from their kids catching HIV to declining property values.
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Coun. Bryan Anderson, whose ward includes Terwillegar, is skeptical. He believes most clients will be hard-to-house single men in their mid-forties, who’ll be allowed to drink on-site.9 M1 f/ S( l2 N! m/ b  E( v

) n4 Q+ u! ^9 o0 B“I don’t think that 60 middle-aged men in a building on the edge of Terwillegar Towne has much of a chance of success,” he says.
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“Sixty middle-aged men with mental illness and addiction problems in the boonies? Most of these guys smoke, and most of them can’t afford cigarettes. Where are they going to go to pick butts out of ashtrays? When they get tired of sitting in their rooms, where do they go?”
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4 @# b) V: e8 ?; ~( w: |He worries residents may loiter in Terwillegar Towne playgrounds, where, he explains, people simply aren’t used to seeing what he describes as heavy-set men with tattoos on their necks. Whether it’s fair or not, he says, neighbours will feel afraid.
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) [3 ~9 |2 x$ A! E; ]“This community is one hundred per cent residential. It’s covered with mothers with strollers. One or two dishevelled people with hoodies on and backpacks don’t seem to belong on that residential street.”* m8 ~. v% D4 V6 c

4 ]$ X; s. [7 O: H; hThe original plans for the facility, he says, include 20 bachelor and 40 one-bedroom units. Anderson wants the project delayed a year, to allow for a comprehensive community consultation — and scaled down, instead, to house 30 families, not 60 single men.
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$ [) [9 p: ^3 t/ _: ]Since the site is already zoned for apartments, Anderson says there’s nothing city council can do to stop the development. The only options open to frustrated residents, he says, are civil disobedience and public protest.' y/ r6 o6 z0 [1 T5 H9 q1 O8 g

: ^2 ?% Y! o  R  G- Q9 i: D8 `Murray Soroka, executive director of Jasper Place Health and Wellness, insists neighbourhood fears are exaggerated., o6 u+ Q4 a7 }
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! p6 {4 _( o) O% R5 d% p4 nWhile most of the units will be bachelors or one-bedrooms, Soroka says that he has listened to community concerns and that up to nine suites will now be two-bedroom units, suitable for families.2 M; t. X. g7 g7 h" I7 ~
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Each tenant will have a personal caseworker, funded by the Housing First anti-homelessness initiative. There will also be a social worker assigned to the building, and support staff on-site 24 hours a day. A shuttle will take residents to work, to shop, to medical appointments.
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/ @+ n2 f& q( h4 o5 [9 @5 g4 }7 e; z“People have very stereotyped ideas about homelessness,” he says. “But we serve families, we serve women, children, people from all kinds of situations. The people who are going to live there want to be successful in their lives, just like everyone else.”
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But yes, he says, residents will be allowed to drink in their rooms. Their drug use won’t be strictly controlled either.
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3 g6 b( ^. z# ?* [: r“It’s not a dry building,” he says. “What people do in the privacy of their own home, I can’t stop.”( y, t: N2 K6 l2 E6 Y" }0 r! ]1 M* n

) q6 j# K  k3 ]+ Q/ c0 X, wThat response won’t necessarily relieve community worries.
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When retail consultant Emily Salsbury bought her house, she chose Terwillegar Towne deliberately.( U- N/ Z$ ?* z  d1 |) o

  m: [9 H2 Q9 ]6 P1 S' N. [8 W“We do have a crime problem in Edmonton, and as a single woman, I chose this neighbourhood to feel safe.”3 ]$ F& i5 t4 M% E
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“I was very surprised to hear about the project,” she says. “It shocked me. That area is very secluded. You can’t access it from a major road. It’s way tucked into a back corner of Terwillegar.”
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The nearest grocery store is a 45 minute walk away. There are no social support services.
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2 h% B) Q/ }- J# p( e- [/ y“We all feel compassion. But if we’re actually trying to help people who have a right to housing, this is not the right place for them. We don’t have the resources.”( {. K7 I6 Y2 S) C
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Teacher Alison Palmer regularly walks her dogs past the proposed site of the apartment, next to the Holy Trinity Anglican Church.) W; H2 O. b* O# y

& |, ], K9 P9 r# W  Q“For me, the issue of homelessness in Edmonton is a really important one, and I think the whole city has to help,” she says. “We need to open up our neighbourhoods. We can’t just say we’ll help people, but only in the downtown core.”# q% I3 Z3 d! A/ z/ Y3 b1 W6 d; |

. ]5 D2 t$ ~" X9 ^- n8 \* W9 IThere’s the debate in a nutshell. For years, we concentrated social and supportive housing in a few inner city neighbourhoods, supersaturating and overburdening them. It isn’t fair, and it isn’t sound urban planning, to create downtown ghettos. We’re citizens of one city, with equal rights and responsibilities. No one neighbourhood has the right to exclude residents it deems undesirable.! {2 X" f  j* ?

' ]9 h: U0 D1 {Yet convincing suburbanites to welcome new neighbours who push them out of their comfort zone, isn’t easy. One could write off their complaints as NIMBY-ism. But these residents have some legitimate concerns.
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A 60-unit building concentrates a worrisome number of people with high needs in a single place. For this project to succeed, it needs to be properly executed, and built on an appropriate scale.
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  ]: ~8 u6 G$ CNor can you blame neighbours who are only now learning about a project that’s been in the planning stages for three years for feeling ambushed. Frank community consultation, much earlier in the process, would have helped build the trust necessary for this experiment in social integration to work.; N6 U4 K( ^6 B6 M
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Dave Hancock is the minister of human services, and the MLA for Edmonton-Whitemud, which includes Terwillegar Towne. He’s hearing plenty of complaints. But he stands by the project, which is 70 per cent funded by the province and 30 per cent funded by the federal government.: D) U" [0 M! @# ^9 I4 k

9 D* G4 V3 S4 g" e9 Z2 a“It’s essentially long-term housing for people who were formerly homeless who are ready to transition into the community,” he says. “These are people who are ready to be housed in a stable place and to have a chance for a stable life. If homeless people are going to have a chance to be successful, they need to have safe homes and to stay away from their usual haunts that cause problems.”( }# n5 f# z2 x% a
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Whatever the concerns about the lack of community consultation in the past, he says, we need to have a thoughtful debate now.
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3 H& z9 C9 j: h& ?& R% t0 a“What’s it going to take to be successful? We’ve got to have a rational discussion.”
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发表于 2013-7-5 22:05 | 显示全部楼层
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政府下定论了?
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发表于 2013-7-5 22:20 | 显示全部楼层
Dave Hancock is the minister of human services, and the MLA for Edmonton-Whitemud, which includes Terwillegar Towne. He’s hearing plenty of complaints. But he stands by the project, which is 70 per cent funded by the province and 30 per cent funded by the federal government.

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$ e! u- O6 k1 l: g0 I哈!哈!哈!$ V) X% c- b4 @2 z
Dave Hancock去年省选是绝对优势当选的。相信Terwillegar Towne选PC的不少吧,it's your choice.
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我租住的公寓旁边就有一片廉租房,有一群热带烈日下成长起来的半大小孩游荡,一天傍晚看不清楚这帮家伙用什么东西挨个敲路边的车子,我一声怒吼,顿作鸟兽散,我的白人邻居提了支木棍就追了出去。
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发表于 2013-7-6 06:54 | 显示全部楼层
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教会洗涤大家的心灵,大家多点慈悲,人家游荡只是命不好而已
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小黄 发表于 2013-7-5 21:20
& D. j6 ]3 u, t% d+ t哈!哈!哈!- F  y- s8 \/ B1 w
Dave Hancock去年省选是绝对优势当选的。相信Terwillegar Towne选PC的不少吧,it's your ...

+ Y( x, o8 I9 X. q+ e! M1 D你咋这么高兴哦,那栋楼就准备建在你家后院,他们的步行活动范围肯定超过你家了。
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shelley.micheal 发表于 2013-7-6 09:41 1 ?2 q/ X. v. c5 u9 t( ]) e
你咋这么高兴哦,那栋楼就准备建在你家后院,他们的步行活动范围肯定超过你家了。

, [! ?1 H' d9 y* ~3 Y我心胸宽广啊,欢迎欢迎,热烈欢迎!
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发表于 2013-7-6 20:53 | 显示全部楼层
晕死那明年卖房怒亏死了
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WTF 是不是看西南一带华人太多了,搞个工程恶心大家呀。
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发表于 2013-7-9 11:18 | 显示全部楼层
看来不能在西南买,还是去西部吧
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 楼主| 发表于 2013-7-10 09:19 | 显示全部楼层
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yue17738 发表于 2013-7-9 12:18
' B* s8 b! ^2 W+ v$ S; L! c% S4 t4 o看来不能在西南买,还是去西部吧

; D' ]/ m  [$ S, M. j西部其实看着还不错。但是不知道Edmonton的房子怎么回事,一过了河价格就蹭蹭蹭的掉
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viviani 发表于 2013-7-10 10:19
0 i7 _' _/ N2 X3 c西部其实看着还不错。但是不知道Edmonton的房子怎么回事,一过了河价格就蹭蹭蹭的掉

4 i' j! u2 q  e便宜才好啊,不然贫穷人们买不起了
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