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有一个关于外墙铺石OR铺STUCCO的问题要请教大家

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发表于 2010-7-8 21:42 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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本帖最后由 晴朗 于 2010-7-8 22:45 编辑 - h; \4 s0 Q) E. m7 d  j. I
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大概多少钱一个SF呀?如果找人铺的话,如果房子本身有VINYL的话,要铺容易吗?
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发表于 2010-7-8 22:28 | 显示全部楼层
大概多少钱一个SF呀?如果找人铺的话,如果房子本身有VINYL的话,要铺容易吗?/ d# `( s7 ^! E# m5 \
晴朗 发表于 2010-7-8 22:42

: {" ?' D" F4 k5 E! P: qTear off the sidings first before installation of cultured stones/stucco.
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发表于 2010-7-9 14:48 | 显示全部楼层
自己没做过, 但感觉如果你会装tile ,就会贴stone.  我在costco 看过有stong 卖, 很便宜,$3/sf.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-7-9 15:48 | 显示全部楼层
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我也是这么想呢。。。但想和做是两回事嘛。。。。怕到时候全掉下来就惨了。。。呵呵
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发表于 2010-7-9 20:05 | 显示全部楼层
To Ceramispalace,; f3 b) M9 S: H5 @8 q. \; q6 A
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For a same house, do you know how big is the average price difference between stucco and vinyl siding? , x$ h! Q3 y2 h- f8 b% Q% d
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发表于 2010-7-9 20:57 | 显示全部楼层
自己没做过, 但感觉如果你会装tile ,就会贴stone.  我在costco 看过有stong 卖, 很便宜,$3/sf.
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totally different story.
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发表于 2010-7-9 22:22 | 显示全部楼层
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To Ceramispalace,
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For a same house, do you know how big is the average price difference between stucco and vinyl siding? 5 d3 |" U$ N0 a: O2 ?$ u
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Not quite sure about the pricing now;  in 2002, stucco costed almost twice of the vinyl sidings when lots of people went after the stucco.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-7-9 22:26 | 显示全部楼层
其实不算外观,这两个材料有什么分别吗?请指教,谢谢
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发表于 2010-7-9 22:49 | 显示全部楼层
老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
其实不算外观,这两个材料有什么分别吗?请指教,谢谢
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3 c" ?/ N% f" wVinyl sidings actually are more durable but there is a fire resistance issue. Stucco, after a few years, would crack and come off. However there are other sidings products now on the market that you may consider.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-7-10 05:45 | 显示全部楼层
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Vinyl sidings actually are more durable but there is a fire resistance issue. Stucco, after a few years, would crack and come off. However there are other sidings products now on the market that you ...0 [+ ~) ^' B' h
ceramistpalace 发表于 2010-7-9 23:49
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what is the other product's name....
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发表于 2010-7-10 14:51 | 显示全部楼层
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/ ~; t5 y& W7 s4 L9 `" k0 l2 Q2 r一時間想不起那產品的 commercial name,知道的是製造物料乃 fibrecement,問一下 builder 或 Totem等 hardware stores 就會有答案.
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-7-10 14:58 | 显示全部楼层
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" ?. T* z6 i3 A. C& ?6 U( G一時間想不起那產品的 commercial name,知道的是製造物料乃 fibrecement,問一下 builder 或 Totem等 hardware stores 就會有答案.% F! S1 I8 k) `$ ?
ceramistpalace 发表于 2010-7-10 15:51
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THANK U.....
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发表于 2010-7-10 19:29 | 显示全部楼层
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人工:$10/SF,如有兴趣可以打电话资询:780-439-8871.
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发表于 2010-7-12 07:32 | 显示全部楼层
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Vinyl sidings actually are more durable but there is a fire resistance issue. Stucco, after a few years, would crack and come off. However there are other sidings products now on the market that you ...5 k' w2 P+ {5 ~, t/ C9 |$ s6 Y
ceramistpalace 发表于 2010-7-9 23:49
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It's OK that you can't afford stucco cladding. But don't be a "sour grape."
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) {& m# d: d( @To 晴朗, stucco cost $20k ~$40k more for a 2500sf house, depending on the type of stucco you use.
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发表于 2010-7-12 13:56 | 显示全部楼层
It's OK that you can't afford stucco cladding. But don't be a "sour grape."
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To 晴朗, stucco cost $20k ~$40k more for a 2500sf house, depending on the type of stucco you use.
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PROFESSOR黃,我只是就我有限的經驗回覆一下LZ的問題而已,IF YOU HAD STUCCO ON YOUR HOUSE AND I HAPPENED TO HAVE OFFENDED YOU BY SAYING THAT,PLS ACCEPT MY APOLOGY。 JUST LET YOU KNOW, I HAVE TRIED BOTH ALREADY AND WOULD TRY SOME OTHER STUFF OTHER THAN THESE TWO IF I HAVE A CHANCE TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE.
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发表于 2010-7-12 14:18 | 显示全部楼层
LZ,AS I KNOW,THERE IS ANOTHER KIND OF STUCCO CALLED ACRYLIC STUCCO WHICH COSTS EVEN MORE BUT IS SAID TO BE A LOT BETTER BUT I HAVEN'T TRIED(SO I AM NOT QUALIFIED TO COMMENT) SINCE IT DID NOT LOOK APPEALING TO ME( 個人偏好而已),況且 我認為STUCCO PRICING 近年來 GONE UP TOO MUCH,I THINK IT IS ALREADY OVERPRICED。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-7-12 15:25 | 显示全部楼层
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很感谢上面两位朋友,虽然很喜欢,但如果贵这么多,那就没办法了,呵呵
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发表于 2010-7-12 15:39 | 显示全部楼层
PROFESSOR黃,我只是就我有限的經驗回覆一下LZ的問題而已,IF YOU HAD STUCCO ON YOUR HOUSE AND I HAPPENED TO HAVE OFFENDED YOU BY SAYING THAT,PLS ACCEPT MY APOLOGY。 JUST LET YOU KNOW, I HAVE TRIED BOT ...
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. r, {$ I% J: f" P6 w( dYou shouldn't have selected the lowest bidder ...
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-7-12 16:05 | 显示全部楼层
You shouldn't have selected the lowest bidder .../ _) u6 L% F+ p/ f
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说我吗??
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发表于 2010-7-12 17:13 | 显示全部楼层
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说我吗??# [4 E8 q, U7 U4 H' b6 |  c0 W! ~
晴朗 发表于 2010-7-12 17:05

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ceramistpalace 说他的stucco开裂了,那么我就建议他便宜没好货。# ~9 h% d4 t' X( Q* }0 Q5 ]& G% Y( b
我所见到的stucco房子,大多数都是80~00年造的,没见到有开裂的。Stucco外墙比vinyl siding更容易维护,只需喷漆即可焕然一新。
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发表于 2010-7-12 18:58 | 显示全部楼层
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Thousands of Alberta homes could rot; Stucco covering linked to leaky walls; crisis could rival pine shakes scandal, expert says
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" B+ I& K9 C, `' HThousands of Albertans might be living in homes and condos that will rot because some builders used a stucco exterior wall-covering that is prone to failure, experts in masonry construction say.3 Z! v8 B! M4 I1 F+ G
Michael Hatzinikolas, a member of a national committee that sets masonry building standards, says homeowners could be facing a crisis rivalling the pine shakes scandal a decade ago.
. x& b/ _0 n- F9 h5 o+ VHatzinikolas said a surface-seal system used to cover the exterior of homes, apartments and condos is prone to leak and could leave homeowners with huge repair bills and health issues.+ I) d2 \& a0 C
"The surface-seal system does not work in Canada," said Hatzinikolas, a former adjunct professor at the University of Alberta and the author of several books on construction practices. "This is a huge problem for the people of Alberta. It's much worse than the pine shingles."
6 }/ ~- s) }7 H+ C9 j% gHatzinikolas said the National Research Council raised concerns about the seal system -- known as the Exterior Insulation and Finish System -- in a report in 2000, but the report has not been circulated.7 |+ T* j+ ?5 Z6 g  s( J
At least one Ontario insurance company, Pro-Demnity Insurance, has stopped insuring surface-sealed buildings following a building code commission ruling five years ago that the system did not satisfy Ontario Building Code requirements.
4 K4 n! d7 w+ s) t  h+ W/ \8 LYasser Korany, who teaches in the University of Alberta's department of civil and environmental engineering, said the system was designed to prevent water from entering walls, but it fails in Alberta's climate.2 U9 D8 w) z* K* W4 `
"There are so many issues and problems associated with these systems," he said. "In practice, they don't perform as we hoped."5 ?% ?! [  f% S/ Q" a5 s# Z
Moisture inevitably gets inside the wall, which starts to rot, he said.
- q( v) D- G$ D) FKorany wants the province to step in with regulations to stop builders from using the system and to make sure home buyers are aware of the issue.
/ i0 c3 w; E8 d* ]4 R; E8 E"There's a moral obligation here that the public should know about the potential consequences," he said.
! ?9 C) T# r- x2 h- sSome builders will continue to use acrylic stucco because it is lighter and cheaper.
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But Korany said homeowners face costly repairs and possible health problems from exposure to mould.
( G9 o0 a, @( V, p8 A* |5 _Municipal Affairs Minister Ray Danyluk, who appointed MLA Thomas Lukaszuk last year to study leaking problems in detached homes, said his department is looking into the matter.! r8 D$ r4 F/ z8 d( c9 N7 Q' ?
"We'll take it through the process and see what is happening here," he said.
  @# r: d. {& v4 l"The whole purpose of our building envelope (review) is to make sure we're using the right materials and to make sure individuals and homeowners are protected -- whether it's materials or workmanship."
8 z( u' |$ V! eHomebuilder Pat Adams said surface-sealed stucco has been an ongoing issue in the building industry for some time.1 ^0 W2 B5 U+ s
"We don't use it because it is prone to failure," he said. "We haven't had that many problems with it in the past, but we're having more problems with it now. There's no place for water to go once it gets inside the wall."7 v+ ]1 U" S5 p: ^! p
The surface-seal system is not included in the Alberta Building Code, but it was approved by the Canadian Construction Materials Centre with a proviso that the system requires a high level of quality control during application and regular maintenance, Hatzinikolas said.& }0 b, b. w  w( A1 R7 v( U
"This is a system that requires frequent maintenance and any cracks should be fixed immediately," Hatzinikolas said.
1 p4 z3 e" b) s& n6 }) z4 qThe pine shakes scandal came to a head in 2000 when about 2,000 homeowners attempted unsuccessfully to sue the province for putting a defective product in the building code.
6 j7 ~3 ^- s+ G  KThe province had approved the use of untreated pine shakes as roofing material, but the shingles rotted prematurely. The Alberta Safety Codes Council later amended the code to require that shingles had to be treated with preservatives before they could be installed.: L( t0 d8 t( a6 M+ ^
Hatzinikolas, who now operates a company that manufactures masonry accessories, has been pressing the Alberta Building Regulation Services Committee, which sets building codes, to address the surface-seal issue.  Q4 ^+ p* W! `7 s8 q& s3 ?8 ?+ ]
"Based on my experience over the last 35-plus years in the field of exterior wall assemblies, it is time for the authorities to do something to protect the public," he wrote in a Dec. 15, 2008, letter to the chair of the committee.
6 c: n: M$ G- Q+ |He said the issues raised in his letter, which he copied to Alberta associations of architects and professional engineers, have still not been addressed. Officials say they aren't aware of any widespread problems with rotting homes and condos in Alberta, but they are familiar with the issue because of problems in B.C.
6 h2 _# I& ~+ D4 s+ T7 F" zBritish Columbia's mid-'90s leaky condo crisis, blamed on a building boom, shoddy construction practices and rainy climate, has caused an estimated $3 billion in damage and many condo owners are still grappling with the problem.  v. L# W% @4 m' g' E( O& A4 Y- _
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6 ~/ j& W9 o3 _: m  i0 pOfficials with the Alberta Home Warranty Program and the City of Edmonton couldn't say how widespread the problem of defective exterior systems may be in the province.
0 G* K$ x/ D8 p% GHowever, the city has required professional engineers and architects using acrylic stucco exterior systems to sign a waiver absolving the municipality of liability for their use of the system.
8 j2 G% P2 ]! ~) {6 |Larry Ochocki, the city's director of safety codes, said the city can't be held responsible for builders who use the surface-seal system because it is the province's responsibility to set building standards.9 r: B( ]- v0 v( }; w/ W) d( C  f
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Korany said that if the city building department is aware of a problem with acrylic stucco surface-seal systems, it should stop allowing builders to use it.0 O$ l3 B$ r  q5 f
"Clearly, there is concern by the city and rather than facing the issue and trying to find a resolution that would work for industry and owners, I think the city has taken the easy way out," he said.
6 y# ~: K1 p9 T. b( i, mHatzinikolas said most home and condo buyers probably don't know there's a problem lurking underneath the stucco of their new homes.
% l, k+ ^: N9 {- }) X# pBy the time they discover the exterior walls are rotting, their new home warranty will have expired and they will be on the hook for major repairs, he said.
; ]+ G- \# O% a% d/ y$ SOnce the rot begins, there's nothing homeowners can do but rip off the wall covering, repair the damage and install a vented system, he said.
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发表于 2010-7-12 20:09 | 显示全部楼层
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Most stucco deterioration is the result of water infiltration into the building structure, either through the roof, around chimneys, window and door openings, or excessive ground water or moisture penetrating through, or splashing up from the foundation. Potential causes of deterioration include: ground settlement lintel and door frame settlement, inadequate or leaking gutters and downspouts, intrusive vegetation, moisture migration within walls due to interior condensation and humidity, vapor drive problems caused by furnace, bathroom and kitchen vents, and rising damp resulting from excessive ground water and poor drainage around the foundation. Water infiltration will cause wood lath to rot, and metal lath and nails to rust, which eventually will cause stucco to lose its bond and pull away from its substrate.
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After the cause of deterioration has been identified, any necessary repairs to the building should be made first before repairing the stucco. Such work is likely to include repairs designed to keep excessive water away from the stucco, such as roof, gutter, downspout and flashing repairs, improving drainage, and redirecting rainwater runoff and splash-back away from the building. Horizontal areas such as the tops of parapet walls or chimneys are particularly vulnerable to water infiltration, and may require modifications to their original design, such as the addition of flashing to correct the problem.
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Previous repairs inexpertly carried out may have caused additional deterioration, particularly if executed in portland cement, which tends to be very rigid, and therefore incompatible with early, mostly soft lime-based stucco that is more "flexible." Incompatible repairs, external vibration caused by traffic or construction, or building settlement can also result in cracks which permit the entrance of water and cause the stucco to fail.
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Before beginning any stucco repair, an assessment of the stucco should be undertaken to determine the extent of the damage, and how much must be replaced or repaired. Testing should be carried out systematically on all elevations of the building to determine the overall condition of the stucco. Some areas in need of repair will be clearly evidenced by missing sections of stucco or stucco layers. Bulging or cracked areas are obvious places to begin. Unsound, punky or soft areas that have lost their key will echo with a hollow sound when tapped gently with a wooden or acrylic hammer or mallet.
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ceramistpalace 说他的stucco开裂了,那么我就建议他便宜没好货。
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0 T1 n" p. T! L小黄 发表于 2010-7-12 18:13
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! s7 A! I$ Z8 h0 y0 [! r2 @# NStucco外墙比vinyl siding更容易维护,这话对。但是要保证房子的其他部位不能有一点问题,否则就是大麻烦!
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本帖最后由 ceramistpalace 于 2010-7-12 21:57 编辑 7 q4 b* F0 u, Q- e7 [
You shouldn't have selected the lowest bidder ...
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Professor Huang,
5 M. _4 `0 V& L- Y有一點你也許不知道,LUCK PLAYS A PART,我當時選的是LANDMARK H。,LOCATION IS WHITEMUD HILLS,一般LOTS 只賣40K,我選70K,無論LOCATION,BUILDER,LOT的位置,房型都算中上,雖然我那時初來步到,什麼也不懂,但是有高人指點下作的選擇,奈何STUCCO FAILED ME (那時未有ACRYLIC STUCCO)。AND I AM NOT ALONE,朋友的房子,一樣的結果。
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3 w0 C. \  ^* A3 b' _* nIf you take fire resistance issue out of the question, vinyl sidings should weather the elements better than stucco. I have seen more stucco than sidings that have problems in a relatively shorter time. Also, if you take the costs difference into account, the costs of stucco enable you to install vinyl sidings twice.
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发表于 2010-7-12 21:07 | 显示全部楼层
我和contractor聊天,说起这个,都摇头。看上去省事,其实每天都要好好伺候屋顶系统,通风系统,排水系统,就怕这个出事。买房子的时候,要看到新刷的,千万要小心。
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有一點你也許不知道,LUCK PLAYS A PART,我當時選的是LANDMARK H。,LOCATION IS WHITEMUD HILLS,一般LOTS 只賣40K,我選70K,無論LOCATION,BUILDER,LOT的位置,房型都算中上,雖然我那時初來 ...
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Please don't attribute a builder problem to a cladding choice.
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% {! E' l  f' G$ bIt's well known that many Landmark's newer constructions suffered cracking driveways. Would you say it's a bad idea to construct the drive with concrete?
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! x6 T& q+ e/ x3 WNow looking back, you should have bought from Gable or Ace Lange, instead of Landmark.
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我估计真的只能多盖几次,才会知道这些事情,第一次盖就算是交学费吧。呵呵
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老杨团队,追求完美;客户至上,服务到位!
Please don't attribute a builder problem to a cladding choice.7 M' D* q' a' l( r, W9 C! \# f+ I
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It's well known that many Landmark's newer constructions suffered cracking driveways. Would you say it's a bad idea to construct the ...4 g0 a( m) w/ M  {& W
小黄 发表于 2010-7-13 10:16

- N6 g. v! r" J# W: [8 qYes, you may be right, it may be the builder's fault and we never would know how good the builder or its trades would do the jobs (that's why I said LUCK PLAYS A PART), so if a product had a problematic potential, why don't we open our eyes and look elsewhere whether better products are available?   Now my answer to your question: If there is something better and more promising to replace concrete in driveway construction, I will, for sure, consider. Not a bad idea, right?  Also, Gable and Ace Lange have their own problems too, my previous neighbor's house and his brother's were both built by AL( In those years,AL was said to be one of the best,so the 2 brothers made the same choice), all two houses had the same problems at exactly the same spots within a year, wall cracks started at the corner of 2 door frames all the way to the ceiling (that may be caused by settlement but why happened to the same spot of 2 different houses in different lots location)  So you still think AL and Gable are better?
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Now my answer to your question: If there is something better and more promising to replace concrete in driveway construction, I will, for sure, consider. Not a bad idea, right?
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好啊,不用太fancy,最普通的gravel车道,又便宜,又不会开裂。但有几人会去用呢?
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