Pontiac 品牌被GM 放弃

HRU

GM 今天正式宣布 pontiac 不在重组的范围之内。这宣布了pontiac品牌的死刑。此前的SAAB, SATURN，Hummer 一起进入被抛弃的品牌。

GM 准备保留雪付莱，别克，和通用三个品牌用于破产重组。
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准备购买庞帝亚克的顾客可能驾驶的是真正的"limited edition"

特北京

不在GM重组之列并不意味着死刑吧，可以卖给别的公司，好像Land Rover，Jaguar一样。

特北京

GMC和Cadillac怎么办？

Focus

啊! 我现在就是G5啊, 以后修车不会得去雪弗莱找COBALT的件了吧.  还想以后有钱了下手一个G8 呢

HRU

If pontiac is as unique as jaguar or landrover, GM would not dump it.

- V: B: e6 ~" T8 M" Z. ?) ]! S) q0 kPontiac exterior is very attractive, though interior is undermakr. GM's desicision is based on the potential value of a brand.

2 I/ t7 W& q- M6 kI don't think anybody will buy a pontiac brand becuase simply it is not unique, no special techonology in it!
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KochFord

原帖由 HRU 于 2009-4-27 09:52 发表
If pontiac is as unique as jaguar or landrover, GM would not dump it.
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2 j; p& ~- z! c1 u8 YPontiac exterior is very attractive, though interior is undermakr. GM's desicision is based on the potential value of a brand.  ...

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agree,  Pontiac is gone

大米粒儿

那么，庞地雅客的库存新车会不会大减价？

HRU

No, GM uses its inventory as "assets" to negotiate the creditors and banks.
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  G/ E' o1 b' ~$ c0 G+ U) m2 DOn the book, GM still has "billions of inventory" which can fool the public for a little longer time. Once the creditors and banks are mad, they can liquidate themself, at that time, the Pontiac cars and Vans will be lower priced, not by GM, but by the debts holders.

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shark27

原帖由 大米粒儿 于 2009-4-27 12:37 发表
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不见得，dealer不是傻瓜

figo

垃圾终于要被清理了

HRU

With very impressive interior quality, good power and super bang for the money you spend on the power!

shark27

原帖由 figo 于 2009-4-28 14:47 发表
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shark27

原帖由 HRU 于 2009-4-28 15:56 发表
With very impressive interior quality, good power and super bang for the money you spend on the power!

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you just know that?

三硝基甲苯

原帖由 shark27 于 2009-4-28 18:42 发表
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you just know that?

Oh My God, Shark27, you must be one of the bigger if not biggest douchebags I've ever seen in chinese online forum, your douchebag-NESS is beyond human limit.

& d2 i$ Q9 ~9 U. i7 t8 m3 }# Fif a Brand which has been out there for decades is being discontinued, there MUST be a Legitimate and Logical reason behind it. Clearly, you are not the reason, coz I've neither seen logic nor rationale in you. You can't compare mitsu/isuzu to pontiac, u know why?because mitsu/isuzu  WERE HAVING rough times but never being DISCONTINUED.
( q4 V8 G& m7 D, v/ ~which part of D-I-S-C-O-N-T-I-N-U-E-D you do not understand?or is it simply just becuz words with more than 2 syllabus beyong your understanding due to your retardation and limit of english training.
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8 |2 k, k% r1 `8 R' p7 I% [  \come on, there are two kinds non-professional people in automotive industry , grease moneky who know their stuff and people who take their 1 yr or 2 year automotive service technician or whatever-the-fuck-it-is-called certificate and pretend to be a grease monkey who knows their stuff, either way, they are monkeys.
- o; I! [! E  W; f8 D3 r4 yyour 1 or 2 year certificate/diploma(if you have one,do u?) from a guy with background of bicycle riding in china  does not make you a Mr.Know-it-all. Even if you ever did your apprentice or whatever the fuck it is that ppl do in a chrysler/GM/Ford shop(or did u?), then whatever happens in the U.S automotive industry nowadays just further proves your wrongful choice at the first place and the short sightness you've got. if you specialize(funny word for a guy who repairs cars, but anyway) in U.S automotive and dedicated your past several years of youth life into this career(again, funny word for your line of work), I am sorry, you are pathetic and retarded
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: U8 z1 b- O% [, q9 c- H! ?if you do not even own credentials mentioned above, please simply ignore my above comment, coz you are simply a douchebag.


% ]3 z- K3 M( C! X5 {+ f6 a6 ?I usually just ignore arrogant people like you, and to type such words is a big time waste of my life, there goes 2 minutes of my life,however if your long-time-ago ESL training or your automotive technician apprentice job do not provide you with adequate language training to understand my above comment, please PM me with a place and time, I will meet you in person to translate my words and ally the underline meaning of my words to you IN PERSON.

figo

原帖由 shark27 于 2009-4-28 18:41 发表
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just like Mitsubishi in mid 90, and Isuzu in 2002

经典

shark27

原帖由 三硝基甲苯 于 2009-4-28 19:54 发表
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. i3 B# w$ F! x) |8 F/ F- q5 D+ ZOh My God, Shark27, you must be one of the bigger if not biggest douchebags I've ever seen in chinese online forum, your douchebag-NESS is beyond human limit.

3 m3 i* ]% Y$ Y; j' ]/ j, Eif a Brand which has been out there  ...

非常感谢屎先生在这里再次的向大家证明了自己的档次。 这个世界没有屎先生的存在，只会变得更美好，而没有了其他一些人的存在，只会变得更糟。

monicapharm

原帖由 shark27 于 2009-4-28 20:31 发表
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非常感谢屎先生在这里再次的向大家证明了自己的档次。 这个世界没有屎先生的存在，只会变得更美好，而没有了其他一些人的存在，只会变得更糟。

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Yes I agree, he demonstrated that he is in a much higher class than you, I guess!

monicapharm

原帖由 shark27 于 2009-4-28 18:42 发表


you just know that?

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People with rationale tell the true but do not exaggerate the truth. Yes, Pontiac G8 is a good choice for ppl enjoying a fun-driving experience but with a smaller budget, but this does not make it the best choice out there! Unfortunately, you recognition of this brand doesn't seem to be reckoned with by this market, since majority of the population did not buy it!
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shark27

原帖由 monicapharm 于 2009-4-29 00:16 发表


6 `$ H! {: A3 @3 x7 B; YPeople with rationale tell the true but do not exaggerate the truth. Yes, Pontiac G8 is a good choice for ppl enjoying a fun-driving experience but with a smaller budget, but this does not make it ...

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8 G) H0 O- \3 K2 R9 s* Z1 Vnobody says it's the best car ever and it will never satisfy every one out there, but so far, best in that class
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shark27

原帖由 monicapharm 于 2009-4-29 00:05 发表
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Yes I agree, he demonstrated that he is in a much higher class than you, I guess!

look through most of the period posts from this guy, i seriously feel sad about him, you should have samilair ideas too

monicapharm

原帖由 shark27 于 2009-4-29 00:21 发表


look through most of the period posts from this guy, i seriously feel sad about him, you should have samilair ideas too

% _9 L% I  m$ {7 @; jWhatever you feel about this guy should absolutely not transfer to me, and I ensure you that I do have a different view regarding Mr.TNT. Regardless of him, you are a scornfully cynical person.

shark27

原帖由 monicapharm 于 2009-4-29 00:16 发表


People with rationale tell the true but do not exaggerate the truth. Yes, Pontiac G8 is a good choice for ppl enjoying a fun-driving experience but with a smaller budget, but this does not make it ...

& O3 H; a6 g1 J! qYeah, honestly, i think pontiac is dead since Grand AM discontinued. It became a sporty look of chevolet, cheaper tune of buick, and G8 is totally a holden with new badge. The glory day of Trans Am and Fireo is only memory now.

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shark27

原帖由 monicapharm 于 2009-4-29 00:32 发表

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1 o- F8 K& \/ J- B( D0 _" qWhatever you feel about this guy should absolutely not transfer to me, and I ensure you that I do have a different view regarding Mr.TNT. Regardless of him, you are a scornfully cynical person.

i never intend to force my idea to you, but trying to do something right. And when somebody twist somrthing badly, what would you do to make it right?
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[ 本帖最后由 shark27 于 2009-4-29 00:51 编辑 ]

HRU

I agree with Monicapharm's opinion on Shark 27. He (or she) is simply a cynical person that can't tolerate others.
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愤世嫉俗不是令人欣赏的品质，即使在匿名的论坛上，我可以感受到你的愤怒。

然而，这世界不是完美的。你不能忍耐，就招致TNT的猛轰。即使你反唇相讥，又能使这个论坛更吸引人吗？

/ M" w0 N" a% M当然，判断一个人不能单纯从开什么车，处于什么社会地位来评价。（这一点TNT应该引以为戒）。我５年前开一辆国产的破车，现在我很满意自己的坐驾。我从来对美国，日本，德国车的争论不屑一顾。有什么经济基础，就谈论什么话题。
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( ?6 @3 ^  [: `( h+ o/ s) G$ x天天谈论汽车，是典型的中产阶级或者向往中产阶级的人的话题。从这一点我可以断定不管是你还是TNT肯定不是富人阶层。（不幸的是我是卖车的，知道怎样判断人的阶层）。从这一点来看，TNT 不应该讽刺你的社会地位或者经济状况。
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0 U: @5 A+ S9 R; _3 C3 K人是在改变的，请尊重其他人的观点，不要轻易互相攻击。有一天说不定你发达了，自然会投奔日本车的怀抱。（雷克萨斯LS车主的平均收入超过４５万元，超过奔驰宝马S/7 系列２倍以上）

HRU

To Shark 27

Don't assume other people's experience.
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I am prety sure I drive more cars than you do. Even you are auto tec (you can not drive a customer's car beyond reasonable time like 20minutes), but my job grants the chance to drive a car from days to weeks, I have first hand experience.
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& V4 g) {9 X/ w* s0 g" p4 WYou might  be a big fun of domestic cars and trucks, but where the idea from? Most from your peers and job, same am I, I drove them, I love or hate them, I also try to share this with my Chinese nationals.

, ]5 o% x  _0 C) s. ?6 t7 uHow about you? Except reputing others, I barely can see anything originated from your personal experience.
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You cheer a lot for Grand AM, I drove from Grand AM GTP, the interior is horrible! Those legend mostly is a marketing tactic,no a real feat.
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TNT at least one thing is right: Pontiac goes down due to legitimate reason: No one wants it, it is failed.
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6 N2 @+ m. f/ e+ Z1 I( {Everybody has some great time in his/her life, that no necceessary stands that person up. This is capitalism.

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小黄

原帖由 shark27 于 2009-4-27 19:38 发表
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小黄

原帖由 HRU 于 2009-4-29 13:47 发表

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人是在改变的，请尊重其他人的观点，不要轻易互相攻击。有一天说不定你发达了，自然会投奔日本车的怀抱。（雷克萨斯LS车主的平均收入超过４５万元，超过奔驰宝马S/7 系列２倍以上）

呵呵，无独有偶，美日6大公司（通福克丰本尼）里面，在美国的顾客群中位收入最高的是本田，最低的是克莱斯勒。

三硝基甲苯

原帖由 shark27 于 2009-4-28 20:31 发表
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2 F/ J& o8 W9 `* V非常感谢屎先生在这里再次的向大家证明了自己的档次。 这个世界没有屎先生的存在，只会变得更美好，而没有了其他一些人的存在，只会变得更糟。

: T# f- z2 O% Q4 a( Y1 A# r) H7 ?you can't even pull anything constructive in your mouth, if u wanna start the trash talking, we can go on all day, oh..believe me, i am more of an expert in trash talking than you.
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* P  |+ p4 y- Z% Xyes, u can call me mr.shit, coz i am having fun from giving shit to people like you, and i do not take shit from anybody.

i believe HRU is more of an professional  ,at least he provides valuable and ubiased opinions/personal experience.
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the level of his car taste is way beyond yours as some apprentice labour in ran-down brand car dealership.

* Q* |& N) x. m( R% I2 n5 Ci am sorry but the level of car you promote is just simply a reflection of your social status.

trust me your view on cars would be sooooo different once your annual income pass minimum 50k/60k

[ 本帖最后由 三硝基甲苯 于 2009-4-29 18:32 编辑 ]

shark27

原帖由 HRU 于 2009-4-29 13:47 发表
, _+ @8 N$ @( Y. O- eI agree with Monicapharm's opinion on Shark 27. He (or she) is simply a cynical person that can't tolerate others.
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愤世嫉俗不是令人欣赏的品质，即使在匿名的论坛上，我可以感受到你的愤怒。

然而，这 ...

我能理解于先生这个大下午清闲是出于现在这个不景气的经济，也能感受到suzuki没有足够的流量支撑起你的收入，所以多进一些利润高的二手车。 开一部MDX不见得能证明你是富人阶层，而且我确定不论我自己的年收入会怎么样，我都不会买任何一部日本车，因为同样的价钱一定能买到更好的非日本车，而且我很珍惜我的每一分钱，所以每一分钱都要花在刀刃上。你知道，我即便在west side suzuki看上什么车，也情愿找俊哥哥，因为可信的汽车销售人员是很难得的。

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shark27

原帖由 小黄 于 2009-4-29 16:49 发表

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